How Much Does A Songwriter Earn When Pandora Plays His Song 1.16 Million Times?

[Osky]

If a DJ knows when and what to say I love having them around.


Note to all DJs on the forum. The band and song title should be said both before And After a song plays. God knows how many times I've flipped to a different station, found myself listening to something killer that I'd purchase if I knew what it was, waited for the end of the tune focused and ready to take down the info and instead found myself banging my head on the dashboard as the DJ introduced the next tune. :pissed: :wall: :chainsaw:

Nail on the head Rick on both accounts.


There are some good DJs around, but they are the exception rather than the rule in the UK. Most just witter on their inane drivel in a Smashey and Nicey type way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaQCr4PIsHE

[Gunner4Life]

It's sad that the only time there is any media uproar is when some 16 year old illegally downloads a 99 cent song from Bit Torrent, then all the music executives and their lawyers fill the news with cries about how the artists are being ripped off. And artists are painted as greedy, because they don't wanna offer their music on certain services.


I've never had issue with kids illegally downloading music, to me the real issue has always been the record executives who sign 20 year olds into what amounts to indentured servitude. The labels have been ripping off artists to the tunes of millions of dollars each since the beginning of the music business, and that is the real issue.

[Smoking Guns]

I loved Cracker, but the one time I want to see them live was on a Fucking Tuesday night and they did NOT play Low. So he can fuck off and write some new shit people wanna hear. Haha. Just kidding. But that did piss me off. They played 2 measures of it as a cock tease then stopped. The whole place wanted to hear that one song, and they didn't play it.

[Duojett71]

Yeah, I've ranted against the spotify model before. My band's debut album is up on spotify and rhapsody though, for the same reason it's up on torrents and on youtube as well. I'm not expecting any revenue from there, but I just hope eventually a few of those who hear it attend our shows and buy some merch. I'm okay with it really - lots of people discover us thanks to the music being on youtube. I know a guy who maintains a youtube channel where he goes around discovering obscure doom related bands and uploads to his channel - most often without permission and illegally. But I've since subscribed to the channel because he was just sharing a lot of cool new music, and I'm now facebook friends with him. It's all good as far as I'm concerned.

I think that's the same guy who put our song "Evil And Right" on Youtube. Even though he lifted the song without permission….we were actually pretty flattered and it was a good way to get people to hear us who would not have by any other means. It's basically the internet equivalent to tape trading. I was glad he posed it. Where is that guy from anyway? I figured he was somewhere in Europe.

[EugenicScum]

He's Greek. I actually discover a lot of cool new bands thanks to his channel.

[mr_crowley]

I agree with many points in this thread - I dissagree with a lot of them too. Although I am not in the mood for a lenghty reply (and I don't think you are either ).


Just wanted to chip with the fact that the music business have grown with 12% in Sweden in 2013. That is quite a lot. The music business have made ~500 million SEK this far 2013. It's pretty uplifting fact, and the trend around the world is pointing the same way. It's a far cry (it's around 50%) the numbers the majors were rolling with in the late 90s and early 00s when music where at it's econimcal height (considering how much money were made). But well, you gotta start somewhere don't ya :036:


The music consumption has never been bigger - and isn't that, at the end of the day, the point. That people listen and enjoy your art? :036:

[Haffner]

The music consumption has never been bigger - and isn't that, at the end of the day, the point. That people listen and enjoy your art? :036:

That's the ideal. But (at least here in America, I don't know about Europe) musicians often end up having to pay big for everything involved in recording, and find their dreams smashed when they don't have enough revenue to release said music. I was barely on track to releasing my next album, when a family tragedy squashed that for an extended time. That album contains by far the best writing and playing I've ever done (I realize that isn't saying much in my case), plus some of the career best performances by outstanding musicians I've worked with.


It's heartbreaking, but that's the way it goes. I accept it now, and am much better just having a "do it because I love it" attitude. However, that doesn't change the fact that I have nearly a double cd's worth of music that is in cold storage for another year.

[Haffner]

Please forgive my complaining, very embarrassed.

[Dinosaur David B]

Unfortunately, Sweden will never be a microcosm of what's going on in the rest of the world, musically. It is very much its own little world.

[Joebuddha]

I have to say that it is completely disheartening but not surprising.

Using Awaken as an example they're signed to an independent label but in order to get signed they had to give away 50% of the publishing on all songs.

Plus given the fact that it's a European label and they are an American band the label has no way of helping them in any way.

The label will may not be willing to kick in money for the recording of the follow up.

Also every single gig that we did where we opened for a bigger band, Queensryche, Lynch Mob, etc. Has been completely Pay To Play.

I think the Queensryche gig cost them about 3 Grand to do and I know they didn't make that much back in merch.

It's a tough life being a musician in the 21st Century. I tell my students all the time that they should become electricians, plumbers, carpenters, or contractors or some other job that can't be outsourced to another country and just play for fun.

At this point honestly I wish that's what I had done.