The Dirt - on Netflix

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  • Smoking GunsSmoking Guns Posts: 4,546
    Yep, Slash and Duff. 
    Shame on you... Slash and ADLER
    OMG, total type O! Was watching a Duff and Shooter Jennings video while replying. 
  • Duojett71Duojett71 Posts: 9,315
    Slash was on the couch..... ;)
  • bourbonsamuraibourbonsamurai Posts: 1,488
    edited March 2019
    this movie was a huge nostalgia trip for me.  an unforgettable era in my life.  at times i do miss being on the road.  the booze, the coke, banging broads over a filthy sink, when you cannot remember the name of the girl, or the name of the venue..  lol  these are games for young people..  i don't think i would have lived very long if i had access to the kind of money the Crue had, though.  the apartment scene where Tommy was burning cockroaches off the carpet was exactly like my old rehearsal space, 20 years ago.  total chaos, all the time.  it kinda snowballs (no pun intended) pretty quick, to where you really aren't in control of it anymore. the whole enterprise morphs into a beast that must be fed daily, and your entire life depends on making sure its needs are met.
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  • Gunner4LifeGunner4Life Posts: 6,306
    Duojett71 said:
    Slash was on the couch..... ;)
    Wasn't sure if it was him or not, I think they darkened his complexion
  • Tatosh GuitarTatosh Guitar Posts: 1,687
    I had every intention of watching this over the weekend. Sunday is my Netflix day, I even convinced the wife to watch it with me. Then the in laws showed up and screwed my plans. Oh well.

    I hope I can see it later today or tomorrow. Everybody in my office watched it already and I want to join on the talk.
  • cvansicklecvansickle Posts: 6,139
    I'll be the dissenting opinion on this one. Stinkorama. 
    Death Or Glory - Who Dares Wins!
  • bourbonsamuraibourbonsamurai Posts: 1,488
    i've now watched it four times.  lol
  • Smoking GunsSmoking Guns Posts: 4,546
    Is Girl Don’t Go alway Mad their finest produced song ever?
  • SkyeSkye Posts: 1,660
    I loved it, I thought it was excellent. So did my wife. They did a really good job, and yes it totally brought me back to those days! 
  • Eclipse IIEclipse II Posts: 292
    Really enjoyed this. Always loved the Crue. Tons missing from the book but worth a watch. 
  • Tatosh GuitarTatosh Guitar Posts: 1,687
    edited March 2019
    I watched it at last. I still am trying to figure out how i feel about it. I like it, but I also feel they went too Hollywood on it, if that makes sense. They cut a lot of the most extreme stuff obviously, but i also feel they made it look like they were closer than they actually were. The feud between Tommy and Vince wasn't shown at all, and I also know they had more than a couple arrests back in the day. The movie only shows Vince's car accident.

    I was also quite surprised to find out how much I actually know about this band, even if they are far from being one of my favorites. I remember an old quote form an 80's interview were Tommy and Nikki talk about the day they met Mick, and how he showed up with his Marshall stack. and of course, that was in the movie. I enjoyed those sort of things and I can forgive the total disregard of historical accuracy, i suppose.

    I can also say that i have a lot of respect for Mick. not only did he have to put on with those three fuck ups, but he had the hindsight to stick around and it totally paid of. Clever guy and probably the only one with some integrity.

    I am curious as to why they decided to show Tommy's marriage to Heather Locklear but totally ignore the one to Pamela Anderson. I think it would have made sense from a commercial standpoint. To the general public, the fact he was married to her is why he is known (I know that's the case for my wife, for example).

    I was also quite impressed with the casting on some of the characters. David Lee Roth, Ozzy and Locklear are totally spot on. Also, is it me or the guy who plays Vince could totally play Randy Rhoads? I found the resemblance quite striking.
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  • SkyeSkye Posts: 1,660
    Yea I read the book when it came out too, and thought the movie was excellent. They did a really good job. Nostalgia trip for sure.

    11th and 12th grade just going nuts over the first couple of albums and even getting my hands on a cassette of a bootleg of the original recording on Leather records, that had an unreleased song on it (Stick to Your Guns). I'll never forget going nuts over that in the school parking lot and cranking it up! And of course getting to meet them was amazing. My friend's mom was best friends with Jeannie Thaler, and got tickets and backstage passes from her and met them at Madison Square Garden on the Theater of Pain tour, I was like 18 or so and that was incredible!! 

    Loudness was opening and 4 glammed up little Japanese dudes asked us which way to the stage! Lol....

     In retrospect, knowing of Mick's progressive bone disease, that he was definitely suffering from even back then, the rest of them were running around in the hall but he was sitting in the dressing room. I saw him in there and dumbass, excited 18 year old me waved at him and called him over, and he got up and came right out and was super kind and gracious, encouraged my guitar playing (because of course I had to tell him that I played...lol) and signed an autograph for me. Kind of crazy, realizing he had that and getting why he was sitting in there by himself all these years later. 

    I also saw them at the Beacon Theater in Manhattan in like 84 with Ratt opening, amazing show, and saw them at Nassau Coliseum opening for Ozzy on the Bark At The Moon tour.
  • bourbonsamuraibourbonsamurai Posts: 1,488
    edited March 2019
    Skye said:
    Yea I read the book when it came out too, and thought the movie was excellent. They did a really good job. Nostalgia trip for sure.

    11th and 12th grade just going nuts over the first couple of albums and even getting my hands on a cassette of a bootleg of the original recording on Leather records, that had an unreleased song on it (Stick to Your Guns). I'll never forget going nuts over that in the school parking lot and cranking it up! And of course getting to meet them was amazing. My friend's mom was best friends with Jeannie Thaler, and got tickets and backstage passes from her and met them at Madison Square Garden on the Theater of Pain tour, I was like 18 or so and that was incredible!! 

    Loudness was opening and 4 glammed up little Japanese dudes asked us which way to the stage! Lol....

     In retrospect, knowing of Mick's progressive bone disease, that he was definitely suffering from even back then, the rest of them were running around in the hall but he was sitting in the dressing room. I saw him in there and dumbass, excited 18 year old me waved at him and called him over, and he got up and came right out and was super kind and gracious, encouraged my guitar playing (because of course I had to tell him that I played...lol) and signed an autograph for me. Kind of crazy, realizing he had that and getting why he was sitting in there by himself all these years later. 

    I also saw them at the Beacon Theater in Manhattan in like 84 with Ratt opening, amazing show, and saw them at Nassau Coliseum opening for Ozzy on the Bark At The Moon tour.
    yeah, after many rewatches, it's Mick's portrayal i find most compelling.  i appreciate you sharing that story.
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  • Duojett71Duojett71 Posts: 9,315
    I watched it at last. I still am trying to figure out how i feel about it. I like it, but I also feel they went too Hollywood on it, if that makes sense. They cut a lot of the most extreme stuff obviously, but i also feel they made it look like they were closer than they actually were. The feud between Tommy and Vince wasn't shown at all, and I also know they had more than a couple arrests back in the day. The movie only shows Vince's car accident.

    I was also quite surprised to find out how much I actually know about this band, even if they are far from being one of my favorites. I remember an old quote form an 80's interview were Tommy and Nikki talk about the day they met Mick, and how he showed up with his Marshall stack. and of course, that was in the movie. I enjoyed those sort of things and I can forgive the total disregard of historical accuracy, i suppose.

    I can also say that i have a lot of respect for Mick. not only did he have to put on with those three fuck ups, but he had the hindsight to stick around and it totally paid of. Clever guy and probably the only one with some integrity.

    I am curious as to why they decided to show Tommy's marriage to Heather Locklear but totally ignore the one to Pamela Anderson. I think it would have made sense from a commercial standpoint. To the general public, the fact he was married to her is why he is known (I know that's the case for my wife, for example).

    I was also quite impressed with the casting on some of the characters. David Lee Roth, Ozzy and Locklear are totally spot on. Also, is it me or the guy who plays Vince could totally play Randy Rhoads? I found the resemblance quite striking.
    He certainly looked more like Randy Rhoads. At first when I noticed who the actor was I thought it was a strange choice to play Vince....but the actor did a good enough job on selling you he was Vince Neil. I also noticed the feud between Vince and Tommy was not portrayed. The first meeting with Vince and the rest of the band after their  civil court case was not a reminiscent one in a bar. That chapter in 'The Dirt' was written by Vince and he states that he and Tommy almost got into it. I suppose the bar scene towards the end of the movie sort of wraps it up nicer and moves film along. I think as far as the Pam Anderson thing goes...it wasn't that relevant to the story of Motley Crue. Crue hit their peek around '89 and the bulk of the movie does not go past that. Basically towards the end of the movie you have Vince quitting in '92...getting Corabi, and the band playing to handfuls of people in theaters and then getting Vince back. Personally the fact that Anderson is not mentioned didn't even phase me.
  • Tatosh GuitarTatosh Guitar Posts: 1,687
    edited March 2019
    Duojett71 said:
    He certainly looked more like Randy Rhoads. At first when I noticed who the actor was I thought it was a strange choice to play Vince....but the actor did a good enough job on selling you he was Vince Neil. I also noticed the feud between Vince and Tommy was not portrayed. The first meeting with Vince and the rest of the band after their  civil court case was not a reminiscent one in a bar. That chapter in 'The Dirt' was written by Vince and he states that he and Tommy almost got into it. I suppose the bar scene towards the end of the movie sort of wraps it up nicer and moves film along. I think as far as the Pam Anderson thing goes...it wasn't that relevant to the story of Motley Crue. Crue hit their peek around '89 and the bulk of the movie does not go past that. Basically towards the end of the movie you have Vince quitting in '92...getting Corabi, and the band playing to handfuls of people in theaters and then getting Vince back. Personally the fact that Anderson is not mentioned didn't even phase me.
    From a storytelling point of view, maybe the topic was kinda forced, but i am leaning more towards thinking that maybe they didn't wanna risk a civil lawsuit from Pam, since her story would have probably included the porn tape (something she probably wants to forget about). Also, she and Tommy have kids. Things might get kinda weird with you sons when you produce a movie that features you banging her mom on a tape the entire world got to see... Still, Tommy is very well known for his relationship with her to a lot of people (as i said in my original post, that's the whole reason my wife knows who he is. And that's hardly an isolated case).

    And speaking of Corabi... poor guy. The album they made with him is quite good (their best according to some fans) and if memory serves me right, he was never gonna get shafted if the band had had their way (they were gonna keep him as second guitar player and backing vocals when Vince returned). Yet the movie makes no mention of this. But at least  I get why they did show it the way they did in the movie. In the grand scheme of things, his storyline is not relevant... I am pretty sure that if the day comes Priest or Maiden make a movie, this is the way they would feature Owens and Bailey's tenures in the band...
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