Preview song for my band

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  • [quote author=Dinosaur David B link=topic=17048.msg257463#msg257463 date=1421252194]
    I'm the kind of guy that only wants to know how to play, or even how to set the low/mids/high on the amp, but further than that, I don't know anything of the technical stuff.
    Yeah, as guitarists, we all START there. Learning all that shit is daunting and takes a long time.

    The problem is if you want to get into home recording your music, you pretty much HAVE to become more than just a guitarist, if you want any control over your own tracks.  Otherwise, you are at the mercy of engineers and producers. If you're working with great ones, that's fine, but that isn't typical in home recording environments.
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    Yeah, that's something I need to overcome. But I think this will happen in time. Once I have more access to proper equipment. I think I might actually learn something by watching the studio guy work when I record. Really hope I do! hehehehe
    But I am doing some research, and I think I will try a lot of things on the studio. I really do like that judas priest and randy rhoads kind of tone, but I don't know if that's a straight through marshall tone or a more sophisticated stuff. If I get on the simulator, and set a simulation of a marshall JCM800 2203 with everything cracked up, will my record actually sound lika a crancked up marshall?
  • [quote author=Nick Layton link=topic=17048.msg257465#msg257465 date=1421261486]
    Very nice riff and composition Daniel...well done! Speaking to using amps/sims/PODs to record an album with--of course we'd all love to use our fav amps cranked but sometimes it's not possible or feasible. I recorded both FireWolfe albums 90% direct using a POD 2.0. Don't let your equipment (or lack thereof) be the thing that holds you back.
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    Thank you nick! I won't let it hold my back, nothing will hold my back, not anymore. I did let lots of things hold my back in the past, but not anymore. I'm gonna show my music to the world! hehehehe
    By the way, Firewolf is great, and I could not tell the difference if it was simulation, tottaly convinced me.  :shred:
  • I really do like that judas priest and randy rhoads kind of tone, but I don't know if that's a straight through marshall tone or a more sophisticated stuff. If I get on the simulator, and set a simulation of a marshall JCM800 2203 with everything cracked up, will my record actually sound lika a crancked up marshall?
    Those guys used real amps, real cabs, with mics on them that colored the sound, going through mic pres and EQ that colored the sound further, AND they were recording to tape. 

    The amp/cab/mic choices are built into the better amp sims. You can even move different mic types around the speaker cone. 

    Will that "actually sound lika a crancked up marshall?"

    My opinion is that if you were to compare it to the real thing in the context of recorded tracks (i.e. sim on one side, real on the other in the same song) or the same album (some tracks real, some tracks sim), you would certainly hear a difference.

    OTOH, if you have no comparative context, the vast majority of people won't know or care about the difference.

    I ain't falling for no banana in the tailpipe.
  • Me too, me too, I also like it a lot!  :clap1:
    I'll look forward to the next clip that we get to see. Good luck, Dude!
  • [quote author=Dinosaur David B link=topic=17048.msg257472#msg257472 date=1421269666]
    I really do like that judas priest and randy rhoads kind of tone, but I don't know if that's a straight through marshall tone or a more sophisticated stuff. If I get on the simulator, and set a simulation of a marshall JCM800 2203 with everything cracked up, will my record actually sound lika a crancked up marshall?
    Those guys used real amps, real cabs, with mics on them that colored the sound, going through mic pres and EQ that colored the sound further, AND they were recording to tape. 

    The amp/cab/mic choices are built into the better amp sims. You can even move different mic types around the speaker cone. 

    Will that "actually sound lika a crancked up marshall?"

    My opinion is that if you were to compare it to the real thing in the context of recorded tracks (i.e. sim on one side, real on the other in the same song) or the same album (some tracks real, some tracks sim), you would certainly hear a difference.

    OTOH, if you have no comparative context, the vast majority of people won't know or care about the difference.


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    Hmmmmm... sounds like I could use that... some of the guys in the mid to later 80's also used things like mp-1 or rockman to record, right? So, is it wrong to say that if they had guitar rig by that time they would probably be using it too?  :icon_tongue:
    If nobody will care for the difference, I guess I should do as you guys are saying and do whatever's necessary to have my record released.

    If I want to have a marshall sound on the guitar rig, I just have to use a marshall simulator and turn the virtual knobs as in a real amp, and it will already be as close to the real thing as it can get, right? Without having to go through a series of technical adjustments and mixings to make it look like a marshall... if it is that way, I guess I could achieve to get a simple marshall tone simulated at least.

    Again, thanks David.

    [quote author=guitarrednfeathered link=topic=17048.msg257479#msg257479 date=1421287726]
    Me too, me too, I also like it a lot!  :clap1:
    I'll look forward to the next clip that we get to see. Good luck, Dude!
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    Looking foward to that too!!! I didn't imagine you guys would approve it so much. Guess now I REALLY do want to have my song ready more than ever!
    And the worst part is over. I already got the band! Now, I can count on them to make it even better.
    Again, thanks very much for the feedback :D
  • If I want to have a marshall sound on the guitar rig, I just have to use a marshall simulator and turn the virtual knobs as in a real amp, and it will already be as close to the real thing as it can get, right? Without having to go through a series of technical adjustments and mixings to make it look like a marshall... if it is that way, I guess I could achieve to get a simple marshall tone simulated at least.
    If I understand the above, yes. A Marshall sim will be as close as you can get with the tools you have.  On the mixing side, you should still expect to have to add compression and EQ, but that's true regardless of whether you use a real amp or a sim.
    I ain't falling for no banana in the tailpipe.
  • inmyhandsinmyhands Posts: 11,586
    Remember you're doing this on your own in a digital world. You can't expect the results of a mic'd tube amp X analog tape X expert studio engineers, producers, etc. 
    Considering the tools you're working with I think your Preview song sounds great.  :up:
  • [quote author=inmyhands link=topic=17048.msg257508#msg257508 date=1421370911]
    Remember you're doing this on your own in a digital world. You can't expect the results of a mic'd tube amp X analog tape X expert studio engineers, producers, etc.  
    Considering the tools you're working with I think your Preview song sounds great.  :up:
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    Not on my own exactly, the guy who owns the studio is a pro, he works with some famous musicians. But I can't expect him to know about a heavy metal "dino" kind of tone, I think he never worked with that, nor he is into this kind of music.
    The tone on my preview was from a zoom G2, It's not even a POD, it's a small robust zoom. Hehehehe
    Would it be ok to simply plug this on the studio?  :icon_tongue:
    When people ask "what gear you used" I'll say "zoom G2" it will be fun!
    Really, as simple as that... could it be?

    I expected my tone could be more raw than the one on the preview. Sound less processed... That's why I thought of simulating a marshall. But than, I don't really make a big deal out of it. If it sounds good, if it's a tone that fits for me, fits my playing style, I just want my hands to be let speak hehe
    And as long as I can make a distinctive tone out of it, that people would hear and know it was me...
  • mr_crowleymr_crowley Posts: 6,579
    [quote author=Daniel_rsf link=topic=17048.msg257514#msg257514 date=1421386459]
    The tone on my preview was from a zoom G2, It's not even a POD, it's a small robust zoom. Hehehehe
    Would it be ok to simply plug this on the studio?  :icon_tongue:
    When people ask "what gear you used" I'll say "zoom G2" it will be fun!
    Really, as simple as that... could it be?
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    I am not as seasoned as many here are but if I were you that is what I would do actually.
    For several reasons:
    1.) the most obvious one, your tone in that video ain't bad by any means - it ain't a roaring 100 watt stack for sure but it sounds cool, with some basic EQ I think that could scream! I did all the recordings for our last records with Guitar Rig (for reference while recording we reamped the whole thing later) and to be honest with you, what you got going in the vid is at least as good :up:
    2.) you'll be playing with a tone you know and are comfortable with. Not enough could be said about this. Knowing the guitar tone you will be recording with is worth it's weight in gold. You know how it reacts off your playing and your practicing with it so your playing is somewhat adapt to your tone.
    3.) Less hassle. Just bring the Zoom, plug it in and play instead of spending hours on Guitar Rig trying to find a decent tone.

    A simulation will always be a simulation - it can sound great though - as mentioned in this thread, just go listen to FireWolfe, Nick rips! :shred: - but switch one sim for another is pretty pointless if the one you already got is as good as your's :up:

    But that's just my opinion :036:
  • [quote author=mr_crowley link=topic=17048.msg257524#msg257524 date=1421397243]
    I am not as seasoned as many here are but if I were you that is what I would do actually.
    For several reasons:
    1.) the most obvious one, your tone in that video ain't bad by any means - it ain't a roaring 100 watt stack for sure but it sounds cool, with some basic EQ I think that could scream! I did all the recordings for our last records with Guitar Rig (for reference while recording we reamped the whole thing later) and to be honest with you, what you got going in the vid is at least as good :up:
    2.) you'll be playing with a tone you know and are comfortable with. Not enough could be said about this. Knowing the guitar tone you will be recording with is worth it's weight in gold. You know how it reacts off your playing and your practicing with it so your playing is somewhat adapt to your tone.
    3.) Less hassle. Just bring the Zoom, plug it in and play instead of spending hours on Guitar Rig trying to find a decent tone.

    A simulation will always be a simulation - it can sound great though - as mentioned in this thread, just go listen to FireWolfe, Nick rips! :shred: - but switch one sim for another is pretty pointless if the one you already got is as good as your's :up:

    But that's just my opinion :036:
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    Now I'm really gonna do that! Thanks for the advices, from you and the others too. Now I have one less issue, that is the tone issue. No need to worry about that anymore, because I know there's no "tabu" about using my zoom. I am safe that it can sound great too.
    So, now I'm 1 step ahead thanks to you guys making me open my mind to that possibility.
  • you'll be playing with a tone you know and are comfortable with. Not enough could be said about this. Knowing the guitar tone you will be recording with is worth it's weight in gold. You know how it reacts off your playing and your practicing with it so your playing is somewhat adapt to your tone.
    Give that kid an A++ :up:

    Very true, Mr. Crowley! Something I completely overlooked.  :doh:

    When you go to record, you ABSOLUTELY want to be VERY familiar with the sound and the feel you are getting from WHATEVER you use.  Here is a perfect example: I am totally used to playing with my real amps. When we go to record as a band, what we do is we capture the drums live with mics, the bass direct, and I play scratch guitar tracks through something that won't bleed into the drum mics (and overdub real guitars later).   The first time we did this, I used Logic's built in amp sims. And I played terrible. The sim sounded, and more importantly, felt so unfamiliar that my scratch tracks were just awful. To the point where I was throwing off the band, so I eventually stopped playing them all together, and they recorded several tracks with just drums, bass, and scratch vocals.

    The second time we recorded, I used a Demonizer, which is like a POD with a couple of preamp tubes in it, and that worked a lot better, but was still a bit odd feeling.

    The point Crowley makes is DEAD ON. And I think Haffner, after his amp adventures, would agree, too.  Play with what you are familiar with. Getting your best performance is WAY WAY more important than getting the best sound.  And you won't get your best if everything feels foreign.


    I ain't falling for no banana in the tailpipe.
  • Dr NickDr Nick Posts: 3,552
    Nice riffing! I'm a sucker for moving chord shapes with a chugged root note, so I'm definitely liking this.

    Get the Priest vibe, and I'm also getting some Winger (riff reminds me a bit of the chorus from "Hangin' On" off the first album). Which is a good thing in my book.

    Was the entrance of the cat intentional, or pure chance?

    :hmm:
  • [quote author=Dinosaur David B link=topic=17048.msg257632#msg257632 date=1421676253]

    Give that kid an A++ :up:

    Very true, Mr. Crowley! Something I completely overlooked.  :doh:

    When you go to record, you ABSOLUTELY want to be VERY familiar with the sound and the feel you are getting from WHATEVER you use.  Here is a perfect example: I am totally used to playing with my real amps. When we go to record as a band, what we do is we capture the drums live with mics, the bass direct, and I play scratch guitar tracks through something that won't bleed into the drum mics (and overdub real guitars later).   The first time we did this, I used Logic's built in amp sims. And I played terrible. The sim sounded, and more importantly, felt so unfamiliar that my scratch tracks were just awful. To the point where I was throwing off the band, so I eventually stopped playing them all together, and they recorded several tracks with just drums, bass, and scratch vocals.

    The second time we recorded, I used a Demonizer, which is like a POD with a couple of preamp tubes in it, and that worked a lot better, but was still a bit odd feeling.

    The point Crowley makes is DEAD ON. And I think Haffner, after his amp adventures, would agree, too.  Play with what you are familiar with. Getting your best performance is WAY WAY more important than getting the best sound.  And you won't get your best if everything feels foreign.

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    With your's, crowley's, and Nick's words, I'm gonna use my zoom G2 and without any shame! hehehehe
    Actually I played on the simulation on the studio these days, and my playing sounded like shit, really. And to make it worse, it wasn't my guitar also. (it was a semi-hollow epiphone. I mostly only play well with my own guitar at hand... And the guitar that fits best in my hand is exactly that one in the video. No other ever felt as good.
  • [quote author=Dr Nick link=topic=17048.msg257634#msg257634 date=1421683398]
    Nice riffing! I'm a sucker for moving chord shapes with a chugged root note, so I'm definitely liking this.

    Get the Priest vibe, and I'm also getting some Winger (riff reminds me a bit of the chorus from "Hangin' On" off the first album). Which is a good thing in my book.

    Was the entrance of the cat intentional, or pure chance?

    :hmm:
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    :mrhappy:
    I'm definitly into Reb Beach! And also George Lynch and Vito Bratta. But I also tend to mix a ton of earlier and more traditional stuff with it.
    Well, I can't have just one influence... I always imagine if I were to be a big and known metal player, and if somewhat someone writes an alchemy of me (a kid can dream, can't him? :guitar:)... The part where they have to specify my influence would be a mess, since I'm into a lot of things and I want them all! hahahaha and many of my songs won't really sound like they have the same influence. There will be some white lion inspiration on one track, and some saxon inspiration on the next, and maybe the third one will have a MSG inspiration... and maybe some will have all of them mixed together... well I think all of them will be a mix, but some influences will be more pronunced than others.

    The cat, she came to check on the music and on  the guitar playing... or to complain about the high volume! hehehehe
    But she likes Blackmore! hahahahaha
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  • [quote author=Dr Nick link=topic=17048.msg257634#msg257634 date=1421683398]
    Nice riffing! I'm a sucker for moving chord shapes with a chugged root note, so I'm definitely liking this.

    Get the Priest vibe, and I'm also getting some Winger (riff reminds me a bit of the chorus from "Hangin' On" off the first album). Which is a good thing in my book.

    Was the entrance of the cat intentional, or pure chance?

    :hmm:
    [/quote]

    Ditto with a little bit of early Ratt.  :metal:


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