I would like to try my hand at recording, but am not sure where to start

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  • Yeah, and Andy Gavin says the new EZD is really super for songwriters to putting songs together.  But the new Logic drums are even more intuitive, and you can use them to trigger the EZD sounds if you want.
    I ain't falling for no banana in the tailpipe.
  • BytorBytor Posts: 1,547
    iGouger,

    I've hesitated to respond because I may ruffle some feathers here..  But it's my Bday so WTF  :wink:

    I've spent a few yrs not only doing my own humble stuff but also doing internet radio before everyone and their brother did it.. Focusing on indie acts most often that operated on shoe string budgets.

    I've gladly promoted MANY artists from right here,, and more from elsewhere on the interweb.. I've spoken with sooo many artist about how they did things on the cheap that ultimately smoked big money artists at the end of the day that I think I have a grasp on how to cheap out and achieve a decent sound

    What levels the playing field, is that everyone ends up on an MP3..  :sad:

    What sucks is,,, that everyone ends up an MP3 :doh:

    Based of what I've had sent to me for airplay.. And what the exceptionally good CHEAP artists use..


    You will need.................

    Reaper......  
    http://www.reaper.fm/
    The DL trial version never expires.. Did I say that out loud? :036:

    EZ drummer2

    Line 6 UX2.. for an interface and soundcard all in one.. Not to mention bass patches and vocal mic use..

    Your headphones..

    YOUR TALENT & IMAGINATION!!!!

    Now, I'm going to acknowledge that some people past the entry level aren't real down with the amp sims on the UX2 or Pod Farm that comes with..

    A very inexpensive plugin that has blown me away on a number of,, no,,, a LARGE number of submissions for airplay is http://www.scuffhamamps.com/

    Yeah Yeah Yeah I know.. The purists want to mic an amp................
    And convert it to an MP3 :wall:

    It's funny, over the yrs I've had people send me stuff that was high dollar production and higher even $$$$ mastered stuff that was laughable.. Moist ass stuff... And I've had people send me stuff that was done with the bare bones elements I've mentioned earlier that kicked ASS.. Talent, and ear.. And remembering that at the end of the day, we're all n MP3  :sad2:

  • iGougeriGouger Posts: 283
    Bytor, thanks very much for your advice. And happy birthday, man!  :up:

    I don't really intend to be competitive or anything--I don't want to try to prove if I'm "better" than some others, and I think all music, if it's good and comes from the heart, has equal value and has a place somewhere.

    I will have to spend a bit more time checking out options. Multiple people here have mentioned Reaper and Ez drummer, so I'll have to research them more.

    All the info and links you guys have been sharing has been a tremendous help. I'll look more into all of this tomorrow. Currently tired and headin to bed.
  • Bytor is on the ball. It'll help if you can eventually save up for a lunchbox amp,  an SM57, and a decent pair of active monitors like Dave mentioned. A handheld recorder helps if you want to quickly document riff and solo ideas - zoom makes great ones. Also spend a lot of time listening to your reference music and improve your arranging skills and this will also help you arrive at approx tones.

    But the biggest motivation for me is playing with real people, so in my opinion, anything you do in terms of a recording set up should be geared towards playing with a real band. Finding good musicians to play with makes me improve for sure, and the end product with the collaborative effort is that much better.

    Check out my band: Bevar Sea
  • While I can agree with a lot of what Bytor said, don't forget that there are various quality levels of MP3, and you can also output AIFFs for download which are CD quality.

    As for using amp sims and PODs instead of micing a real amp, that depends on your situation.  Personally, I have thousands of dollars worth of amps, mic pres, and mics I've acquired because I like their tonal character. I've worked for years at getting tones I want.  For me, it makes sense to capture those tones with a mic. Plus, I can record as loud as I want. It would be ludicrous for me to bypass that gear for a $200 amp sim.

    But if I were in in iGouger's situation where "my only tools at disposal are my Made in Mexico standard Fender Stratocaster, the solid-state Fender amp it came with,"  I'd certainly be more receptive to things like amp sims, because my other options are very limited.

    And as I said initially -- and it coincides with Bytor's "talent and imagination," the quality of your songs and performance will always be paramount.


    That said, I still don't think mixing on headphones does you any favors in the short term or long run. Your initial savings in $$ will cost you a lot of time in re mixing.  Time IS money, and recording music is a HUGE time sink. 
    I ain't falling for no banana in the tailpipe.
  • BytorBytor Posts: 1,547
    I agree about AIFFs Dave but most people have no idea what that is or how to... :neutral:

    A couple friends of mine operating with elements I suggested above..  This is a random track i picked.. hope it's a good one  :tongue:

    http://indiemusicworks.com/2012_B_C/?song=16556

    http://www.scuffhamamps.com/

  • DynagodDynagod Posts: 971
    To quote another artist from another art-form:
    "Classical forms dull your creativity, condition and freeze your sense of freedom. You no longer “be,” but merely “do,” without sensitivity. "
    I've found time and time again that ignoring convention is the the fastest path to treading new ground.

    Granted, and I will never say otherwise,  it doesn't hurt to know the rules before you break them!

    However, I for example use close guitar cabinet mics like Sennheiser E609's, engineered and used for the capture of high gain amplifiers at the cabinet face at ludicrous volumes for their total opposite use like ambient acoustic recording to achieve what, in my mind at least, ends up being amazing tonal capture!
     Whenever I've tried to do what was recommended ad nausium I've almost always found that what sounds right to ME is the ONLY thing that matters at the end of the day. Just because something works for artist A does not mean it will work for artist B, or you or me.

    Cost is, and never will be a guaranteed avenue to great sounding sound capture and reproduction.

    Your hands, ears and taste will always rise above the limitations of your rig and audio capture gear.














  • I recently started on this path myself. My setup is Windows based (I use a Surface laptop 2). 

    For interface, I went with a Focusrite Scarlett Solo. 

    For my DAW I chose Reaper. It’s free and it also has a really good online community for help. 

    Finally I went and bought the Mercuriall Reaxis amp plug-in. This basically models a Mesa Boogie Triaxis and has some great sounds. I also downloaded the free MT Power Drumkit drum VST. 

    After a a few teething problems I set it all up and am impressed with the overall setup. 

    Apart from my laptop I spent approx £160 for the whole setup. 
  • Dr NickDr Nick Posts: 3,556
    Jumping on this thread - for the past couple of years I've had to write a song for a kids club style thing (Church related - don't hate me!)
    I'm in charge of the live music, so I lead the band, and we also try and have a theme song that the kids dance to. 
    Previously we've just stolen a recent popular song, changed the lyrics, recorded vocals over a backing track, and done. But that got expensive, so last year I wrote something, programmed everything apart from the guitars and vocals, and it went down very well. 
    THIS year I decided to use real instruments. Came up with a Nile Rogers-y thing.
    So I played the guitar, bass and a bit of keys, my older son drummed (recorded at his college studio - Glyn Johns mic-ing method, my youngest played keys, my daughter...watched...and now I'm at the mixing stage.
    And discovering I have NO CLUE how to EQ/mix drums. 
    Especially kick drums. 
    Only got Garage Band, so I guess my options are limited.
    So any advice most welcome!
  • Dinosaur David BDinosaur David B Posts: 17,497
    Check out some of our resources like this that point to some of the Recording Revolution videos:

    http://dinosaurrockguitar.com/node/943

    http://dinosaurrockguitar.com/node/985
    I ain't falling for no banana in the tailpipe.
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