How Much Does A Songwriter Earn When Pandora Plays His Song 1.16 Million Times?

Dinosaur David BDinosaur David B Posts: 17,926
edited December 1969 in Songwriting
Interesting article:

http://consumerist.com/2013/06/24/how-much-does-a-songwriter-earn-when-pandora-plays-his-song-1-16-million-times-hint-its-not-much/

I presume it's similar for Spotify. I know some artists at the low end of the earning tree (guys like us) have removed their music from Spotify (and probably Pandora as well) because they do better if people can't just stream their music.

Interesting that Sirius Radio seems to pay the best per-play. Something to note for any of us who actively trying to push our music out into the world (Bevar Sea, Bedowyn, Feints etc.).
In the midst of the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.
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  • Dr NickDr Nick Posts: 3,619
    It's depressing how the actual creators of the music have been screwed year after decade after genre...
    Nothing changes, just the methods.

    Unless you have a Peter Grant in  your corner, I guess, although that brings it's own problems.
  • inmyhandsinmyhands Posts: 11,668
    Yes. I live in a trailer.
  • OskyOsky Posts: 1,057
    It's appaling, the music industry is capitalism at its worst!

    I don't and will never use streaming companies like Spotify, I want control over my music. Broadcast radio is dying a slow lingering death due to its own greed and mismanagement...in the car and mobile I have access to the best radio station ever, its called my MP3 player; no self obsessed dickhead DJs with verbal diarrhoea, no ads, better audio quality than any UK digital radio station (and most FM ones) and most importantly no shit music!...I own all my own music, most of it is on CD or vinyl so I have my own master sources to go back to if necessary. Spotify and the like can pull the plug on any artist or listener at anytime, censor songs and monitor what you are listening to.... nope not for me I'm afraid.
  • EugenicScumEugenicScum Posts: 5,323
    Yeah, I've ranted against the spotify model before. My band's debut album is up on spotify and rhapsody though, for the same reason it's up on torrents and on youtube as well. I'm not expecting any revenue from there, but I just hope eventually a few of those who hear it attend our shows and buy some merch. I'm okay with it really - lots of people discover us thanks to the music being on youtube. I know a guy who maintains a youtube channel where he goes around discovering obscure doom related bands and uploads to his channel - most often without permission and illegally. But I've since subscribed to the channel because he was just sharing a lot of cool new music, and I'm now facebook friends with him. It's all good as far as I'm concerned.
    Check out my band: Bevar Sea
  • [quote author=Osky link=topic=15543.msg236412#msg236412 date=1376670283]
    I don't and will never use streaming companies like Spotify, I want control over my music. Broadcast radio is dying a slow lingering death due to its own greed and mismanagement...in the car and mobile I have access to the best radio station ever, its called my MP3 player; no self obsessed dickhead DJs with verbal diarrhoea, no ads, better audio quality than any UK digital radio station (and most FM ones) and most importantly no shit music!...I own all my own music, most of it is on CD or vinyl so I have my own master sources to go back to if necessary. Spotify and the like can pull the plug on any artist or listener at anytime, censor songs and monitor what you are listening to.... nope not for me I'm afraid.
    [/quote]

    :up:
  • As a consumer, Spotify is pretty great. For $10 a month, I have access to THOUSANDS of albums I don't have to buy COMMERCIAL free.

    As an artist, I find it pretty appalling.

    The music industry has largely eaten itself. Monopolies run rampant. All radio is Clear Channel. All veunues are Live Nation. Clear Channel and Live Nation are the same company somewhere up the chain.  Only a few major labels are left, and they cater to the old, established acts, on newer acts than sell millions of units. Minor and independent labels have no money to spend. Pretty much ANYONE can get on an Independent label now, but that and a dollar won't buy you a cup of coffee.

    There's not much money in touring for unknowns --even for the big festivals like S by SW. Even if you get on a bill, no one pays your expenses for getting there or staying there. Bands do it to "break big," but you have a better shot of doing that by landing TV commercials. Placing music in TV, Movies, and believe it or not, video games, is the last bastion of decent money in "the music business" -- largely, I think, because it is outside of the music business.
    In the midst of the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.
  • Seven MoonsSeven Moons Posts: 8,828
    [quote author=Osky link=topic=15543.msg236412#msg236412 date=1376670283]
    It's appaling, the music industry is capitalism at its worst!

    I don't and will never use streaming companies like Spotify, I want control over my music. Broadcast radio is dying a slow lingering death due to its own greed and mismanagement...in the car and mobile I have access to the best radio station ever, its called my MP3 player; no self obsessed dickhead DJs with verbal diarrhoea, no ads, better audio quality than any UK digital radio station (and most FM ones) and most importantly no shit music!...I own all my own music, most of it is on CD or vinyl so I have my own master sources to go back to if necessary. Spotify and the like can pull the plug on any artist or listener at anytime, censor songs and monitor what you are listening to.... nope not for me I'm afraid.
    [/quote]

    Same here. I can't get used to the idea of paying for music that I don't own physically, or at least mp3 files that I can backup in different places.
  • whoopass1whoopass1 Posts: 1,395
    [quote author=Osky link=topic=15543.msg236412#msg236412 date=1376670283]
    Broadcast radio is dying a slow lingering death due to its own greed and mismanagement.....
    [/quote]

    As a guy who has made his living in Radio for just about 30 years now, I sadly have to agree with this statement.


    [quote author=Dinosaur David B link=topic=15543.msg236416#msg236416 date=1376672217]
    The music industry has largely eaten itself. Monopolies run rampant. All radio is Clear Channel. All veunues are Live Nation. Clear Channel and Live Nation are the same company somewhere up the chain.
    [/quote]

    Somewhere up the chain? How about at the BEGINNING of the chain  :biggrin2: Live Nation is just another underperforming division of Clear Channel. Don't worry though, Clear Channel is in SO much debt, (close to 20 BILLION dollars), that they'll probably have to sell off Live Nation SOON. It wouldn't surprise me if this happened within the next couple years.

    [quote author=Osky link=topic=15543.msg236412#msg236412 date=1376670283]
    In the car and mobile I have access to the best radio station ever, its called my MP3 player; no self obsessed dickhead DJs with verbal diarrhea....
    [/quote]

    For some reason, my ears were burning..... :rotflmfao:
  • inmyhandsinmyhands Posts: 11,668
    If a DJ knows when and what to say I love having them around.

    Note to all DJs on the forum.  The band and song title should be said both before And After a song plays. God knows how many times I've flipped to a different station, found myself listening to something killer that I'd purchase if I knew what it was, waited for the end of the tune focused and ready to take down the info and instead found myself banging my head on the dashboard as the DJ introduced the next tune.  :pissed: :wall: :chainsaw:
  • OskyOsky Posts: 1,057
    [quote author=inmyhands link=topic=15543.msg236448#msg236448 date=1376746936]
    If a DJ knows when and what to say I love having them around.

    Note to all DJs on the forum.  The band and song title should be said both before And After a song plays. God knows how many times I've flipped to a different station, found myself listening to something killer that I'd purchase if I knew what it was, waited for the end of the tune focused and ready to take down the info and instead found myself banging my head on the dashboard as the DJ introduced the next tune.  :pissed: :wall: :chainsaw:
    [/quote]Nail on the head Rick on both accounts.

    There are some good DJs around, but they are the exception rather than the rule in the UK. Most just witter on their inane drivel in a Smashey and Nicey type way
  • Gunner4LifeGunner4Life Posts: 6,320
    It's sad that the only time there is any media uproar is when some 16 year old illegally downloads a 99 cent song from Bit Torrent, then all the music executives and their lawyers fill the news with cries about how the artists are being ripped off. And artists are painted as greedy, because they don't wanna offer their music on certain services.

    I've never had issue with kids illegally downloading music, to me the real issue has always been the record executives who sign 20 year olds into what amounts to indentured servitude. The labels have been ripping off artists to the tunes of millions of dollars each since the beginning of the music business, and that is the real issue.
  • Smoking GunsSmoking Guns Posts: 4,547
    I loved Cracker, but the one time I want to see them live was on a Fucking Tuesday night and they did NOT play Low. So he can fuck off and write some new shit people wanna hear. Haha. Just kidding. But that did piss me off. They played 2 measures of it as a cock tease then stopped. The whole place wanted to hear that one song, and they didn't play it.
  • Duojett71Duojett71 Posts: 9,522
    [quote author=EugenicScum link=topic=15543.msg236413#msg236413 date=1376671406]
    Yeah, I've ranted against the spotify model before. My band's debut album is up on spotify and rhapsody though, for the same reason it's up on torrents and on youtube as well. I'm not expecting any revenue from there, but I just hope eventually a few of those who hear it attend our shows and buy some merch. I'm okay with it really - lots of people discover us thanks to the music being on youtube. I know a guy who maintains a youtube channel where he goes around discovering obscure doom related bands and uploads to his channel - most often without permission and illegally. But I've since subscribed to the channel because he was just sharing a lot of cool new music, and I'm now facebook friends with him. It's all good as far as I'm concerned.
    [/quote]

    I think that's the same guy who put our song "Evil And Right" on Youtube. Even though he lifted the song without permission….we were actually pretty flattered and it was a good way to get people to hear us who would not have by any other means. It's basically the  internet equivalent to tape trading. I was glad he posed it. Where is that guy from anyway? I figured he was somewhere in Europe.
  • EugenicScumEugenicScum Posts: 5,323
    He's Greek. I actually discover a lot of cool new bands thanks to his channel.
    Check out my band: Bevar Sea
  • mr_crowleymr_crowley Posts: 6,627
    I agree with many points in this thread - I dissagree with a lot of them too. Although I am not in the mood for a lenghty reply (and I don't think you are either :wink: ).

    Just wanted to chip with the fact that the music business have grown with 12% in Sweden in 2013. That is quite a lot. The music business have made ~500 million SEK this far 2013. It's pretty uplifting fact, and the trend around the world is pointing the same way. It's a far cry (it's around 50%) the numbers the majors were rolling with in the late 90s and early 00s when music where at it's econimcal height (considering how much money were made). But well, you gotta start somewhere don't ya :036:

    The music consumption has never been bigger - and isn't that, at the end of the day, the point. That people listen and enjoy your art? :036:
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